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    On June 3rd this year, assuming racing has got the go ahead by then, there will be two jump meetings, one at Fontwell and the other at Newton Abbot, and there will be flat meetings at Nottingham, Kempton AW and Ripon.
    On June 5th last year it was the exact same five fixtures. Just run of the mill meetings but ones that the good lady and i like to go to. A quiet midweek fixture where maybe one has jumped out and a bet is on the horizon. More often than not though, it just ends up being a pleasant day out. But as racing days go, it is just plain ordinary and the crowds are on the small side because it is midweek and everybody is at work.
    But that wasnt always the case !

    The reason i bring this up is that i watched the Willie Carson feature again on Racing TV last night and of course it went thru his Derby wins. And i just looked at the crowd that used to assemble at Epsom on the first Wednesday in June many years ago and wonder why on earth was it changed to a Saturday ??!!??
    Of course, like many things, the powers that be are always looking to change things They like to tinker when in reality, it should just be left alone.
    It was like a bank holiday. And there was a real buzz in the betting shops in those days. Grand National day was always number one day and always will be. Followed by the three days (as it was when i first started and as it should be now) of Cheltenham. Then came Derby Day and we were kept busy from opening until after the last. Not as hectic obviously as Grand National day but very busy. The shop used to fill up as the first race went off and stayed that way all day. And we would be watching the tv and see the crowds gathered on the hill, and the open top buses, and the parties going on and it was just a great atmosphere.
    But look at it now. A decent crowd but nothing near what it used to be like. The race itself sometimes gets lost in amongst the other sport going on that day and the day itself has lost a lot of its magic. I know i have gone over this a few times in the past but i listened to Willie Carson last night saying exactly what many of us have been saying for years. "The race should be returned to the first Wednesday in June".
    I know things change and there are things that are long overdue being changed. And change is supposed to happen for the better. But they have failed miserably with the Derby and i think they are just too stubborn and pig headed to admit that they were wrong to move it and actually do something about it.

    So on the first Wednesday in June this year you will have Fontwell, Newton Abbot, Nottingham, Kempton and Ripon. A "normal" day as normal days go. And a few days later on the Saturday will be the Derby. And the way things are going it will probably get lost amongst the football and whatever else has been pushed back due to the crisis we are in now.

    Moving it to a Saturday is probably one of the worst decisions i have come across in all my years in the game !!!
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    On a brighter note:

    Have you made a will QC?

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clancy View Post
    On a brighter note:

    Have you made a will QC?

    Cheers.
    There's plenty of life in this body yet mate, you just take care of yourself and your family.
    Living with my missus, i definitely wont die of boredom. She even suggested this morning that racing takes a one month break every year so i (and you lot) can catch up with the jobs we've been putting off for weeks or months. She's now decided that the garden wants a full makeover and i'm in the process of doing that. But its bloody back breaking work and i'm walking round like the Hunchback Of Notre Dame !

    How are you coping ? Not getting the shakes from not having a bet are you ? And stay away from that online poker and casino shite ! As the saying goes, there is only one winner.

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    Here's one for you all, i'm looking forward to plenty of replies. I noticed somewhere, i think it was on twitter, that people were telling of their first visit to the races. Basically it was when, where and anything else they could remember.
    Now here is where i prove my memory is definitely going. I cant actually remember which track i went to first. It could be any one of many but i really dont have a clue. I think it was in the early 70's but i just dont know where.

    That wasnt a very good start was it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post
    Shocking Typhoon ! Dont even give them 15 euros. If just 1000 people in Ireland did that on a Friday night it would be a nice little earner for the scumbags.

    As for the string vest !!!!
    I've never worn one in my life and rather than sitting in the old deckchairs, i'd like to think i would be strutting up and down the beach eyeing up the tottie !!
    might do a live stream on my paddyslots youtube channel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post
    Here's one for you all, i'm looking forward to plenty of replies. I noticed somewhere, i think it was on twitter, that people were telling of their first visit to the races. Basically it was when, where and anything else they could remember.
    Now here is where i prove my memory is definitely going. I cant actually remember which track i went to first. It could be any one of many but i really dont have a clue. I think it was in the early 70's but i just dont know where.

    That wasnt a very good start was it ?
    it would have been the mid 80’s when cash asmussen was riding over here . It was limerick junction racetrack and one of my first bets was on a horse of Liam brownes called buzzing around ridden by david Parnell. It bolted up and I was the only 1 to say well done david as he was unsaddling he turned and thanked me! He was destined for the top but died in a car crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typhoon View Post
    might do a live stream on my paddyslots youtube channel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jombo View Post
    it would have been the mid 80’s when cash asmussen was riding over here . It was limerick junction racetrack and one of my first bets was on a horse of Liam brownes called buzzing around ridden by david Parnell. It bolted up and I was the only 1 to say well done david as he was unsaddling he turned and thanked me! He was destined for the top but died in a car crash.
    I remember him mate. His father was a top jockey, Buster.

    I'm still racking what little brains i have left over what track i went to first. I was leaning towards Ripon for a while and then seemed to think it was York. Then i got Doncaster in my head and then i finally came to the conclusion that i havent got a clue !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post
    I remember him mate. His father was a top jockey, Buster.

    I'm still racking what little brains i have left over what track i went to first. I was leaning towards Ripon for a while and then seemed to think it was York. Then i got Doncaster in my head and then i finally came to the conclusion that i havent got a clue !!!
    Its so sad when they die so young. And i dont want to turn this into something morbid. But this has stayed with me since around the mid-eighties and i've never forgotten it.
    I was at Sedgefield one afternoon and stood in front of the paddock on the bottom step. This young female jockey raced past me and i wondered who she was. I had never seen her before. She was wearing pink and white silks so i looked them up in the racecard and saw that her name was Jayne Thompson. Her father trained but most of their horses were poor and i noticed that she finished tailed in the following race.
    The following week she rode one at Catterick which came down at the first and knocked her unconscious. She was in a coma for about a week but sadly without any hope and her parents made the decision to turn her life support machine off.

    That was very, very sad.

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    Buster Parnell - Johnny Roe - Georgie McGrath - Wally Swinburn (senior) - remember them all in the Phoenix Park on glorious Wednesday Summer evenings.

    MVOB - Sangster - Piggot - Eddery - Asmussen -

    Bookies that took a few grand without rubbing the chalk - Terry Rogers like a bull but fair - Sean Graham (senior) a gentleman of the turf.

    Tic-tac men with white gloves waving furiously - Mad Jack knocking everybody over tearing back to the ring from his spot watching that most notorious of angles photo finish - heard it said he was never wrong - the betting on the photo and the distance (sht hd - hd - neck) was almost as intense as the race itself - don't know when 'a nose' came in.

    Wash Your Hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clancy View Post
    Buster Parnell - Johnny Roe - Georgie McGrath - Wally Swinburn (senior) - remember them all in the Phoenix Park on glorious Wednesday Summer evenings.

    MVOB - Sangster - Piggot - Eddery - Asmussen -

    Bookies that took a few grand without rubbing the chalk - Terry Rogers like a bull but fair - Sean Graham (senior) a gentleman of the turf.

    Tic-tac men with white gloves waving furiously - Mad Jack knocking everybody over tearing back to the ring from his spot watching that most notorious of angles photo finish - heard it said he was never wrong - the betting on the photo and the distance (sht hd - hd - neck) was almost as intense as the race itself - don't know when 'a nose' came in.

    Wash Your Hands.
    Good stuff mate, a nice "blast from the past".

    As i've touched upon a few times in the past, the betting ring was like a kids playground many years ago with people rushing round and knocking into each other and barging others out of the way. We would all spot the bookie going 3's when all the others were 5/2 and 11/4 and we'd all charge. But look at it now. 99% of bookies will have the same price on their board and when one moves, the others all move at the same time. The ring is dying a slow death and its only a matter of time.

    Regarding the photo finish betting, some of you may recall a documentary which i think was on BBC about problem and compulsive gamblers. The camera followed one such person to the track one day and watched his betting. One race ended up being a photo finish and it showed the lad racing down to the bookies to get a bet on the winning distance. The lad was saying "Its won a head, its won a head". But of course the bookies were betting on a short head, a neck and half a length. But the poor lad was so compulsive, he HAD to have a bet, that he backed the winning margin to be a neck. The reporter asked him why he had backed a neck when he was saying that the winning margin was a head and the lad replied, "Because there were no prices for a head " !
    And it shows how bad a judge this lad was because the winning margin was indeed a neck and he copped.

    That lad would do well to listen to Barney Curley who i have just been watching on tv. I've been watching a re-run of the Luck On Sunday interviews since about 6.00 this morning and dear old Barney was on. And he repeated a few times the three main rules with his betting.
    Patience ! Plan ! Value !

    I could throw discipline in there as well if you are serious about making this game pay.
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    I've just watched another interview and this one was with Sheikh Fahad Al Thani, the chief of Qatar racing. I must have missed this one before because it was definitely the first time i had seen it but i am now a big fan of his. He got on about the BHA and it was good to hear that he holds them in very low regard. He rattled off a few "errors" from the past like the wrong horses being sent to the course, wrong photo finish results being called, not being up to date with jockey bans or winners from abroad (it happened to him when his retained jockey, Andrea Atzeni was banned from riding the day before the Champions meeting and also recently with George Rooke) and a few more. And he said that the BHA should be held accountable. And so say all of us !!!!!
    He summed it up be repeating what Atzeni had said to him last year when he found out he couldnt ride. He said that when jockeys do something wrong, they get fined or banned or both. When the BHA get it wrong they say we're sorry !

    But what did make me laugh and fair play to him, he said that he was glad to see that the BHA were getting a new CEO (in other words, glad to see the back of Nick Rust) and that he hoped the new woman in charge has a look at all the ones working underneath her and looks closely at what they have been doing.

    I hope so.

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    I have no time for any of those Sheikhs that make their money on the back of horrendous human rights abuse - How ironic that he is praising a woman.

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    The day the pubs and bookies reopen there will be one hell of a blast.

    Lads like me that have no accounts online and go to the pub most days and have a bet are stacking up the cash - we will be like a primed grenade ready for the pin to be pulled - Well - unless we have been totally weaned off and have seen the light

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    If you get an email entitled "knock knock" DO NOT OPEN IT!

    It's from Jehovah’s working from home

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    Worth a read including the 24 comments below article
    https://www.the42.ie/racing-johnny-w...59737-Mar2020/

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    Quote Originally Posted by clancy View Post
    Worth a read including the 24 comments below article
    https://www.the42.ie/racing-johnny-w...59737-Mar2020/
    It was worth a read mate but only to reaffirm my point of not taking notice of any racing journalist. You will never get a journalist having a proper rant over a trainer/jockey/owner etc because its just not in his/her interest to do so. I can think of Lydia with AP off the top of my head at the moment although there may be more. They prefer to suck up to them all and its one of the reasons my tv is always on mute. Tha,t along with the dire, weak and downright amateur input from the likes of Nevison, Calvin, Naughton and Steedman to name just four.
    We all have our views of the race and the betting. Lets see what unfolds when the betting trail inquiry is over. But the news of the "unstable chip" and the following surgery mean nothing to me and to many people would look just like a smoke screen. How long had that "unstable chip" been "unstable". It might have been there for weeks or months. But of course it is very convenient for the horse to have surgery now.

    A very unsavoury episode.

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    And don’t t forget the reference in the comments to the missing shoe of the walsh one - I like Katie but the rest of them are very distasteful - And if I recall correctly, the mafia pulled out all the stops in that case - No expense spared - And I think even APOB gave evidence - ffs.

    So called racing journalists are scared shitless that they will lose their seat on the gravy train - They should try and emulate Paul Kimmage who exposed his own sport of cycling and has been vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clancy View Post
    And don’t t forget the reference in the comments to the missing shoe of the walsh one - I like Katie but the rest of them are very distasteful - And if I recall correctly, the mafia pulled out all the stops in that case - No expense spared - And I think even APOB gave evidence - ffs.

    So called racing journalists are scared shitless that they will lose their seat on the gravy train - They should try and emulate Paul Kimmage who exposed his own sport of cycling and has been vindicated.
    I remember the missing shoe one.
    But lets face it mate, strokes are pulled every day on the racecourse. People would have to be unbelievably naive to think otherwise. Whether its the handbrake being applied, taking the hood off too late at the start, keeping to the wide outside all the way round, telling the stewards that the reason the horse was pulling to the left was because it had never run right handed before (), bringing your horse to race prominent on the outside and then duck inside behind the pack when you realise you are going too well and today is not the day () or whatever, it happens. Some of the blatant ones, Yuften MAY be one of them, make the headlines. Most do not. I've heard people on the Sunday forums come out with "Racing has never been so straight". I bet those people also believe that the moon is made of cheese and that Santa is real !
    It has never been straight and never will be ! Wherever there is an opportunity to make money, people will exploit it. And for me, and i know this applies to a lot of people, it has got worse since the exchanges came on the scene. I'm staring at a few books on my bookshelves now that are packed full of tales from way back when. I've read them numerous times in the past and i will read them again sometime. Books like Great Racing Gambles And Frauds by Richard Onslow and Ringers And Rascals by David Ashforth are full of tales from the past of strokes pulled. There are others which arent in those books that spring to mind like the Flockton Grey story, the doping of Norwich and Gorytus et al, the Pretty Average tale, the Gay Future coup, the list goes on.
    Think of the jockey stories we hear featuring the likes of Barry Brogan, Dermot Browne, Gary Carter, and more recently, the tale that concerned both Martin Dwyer and Paul Mulrennan.
    Scandals have always gone on and always will. Some make me laugh like the Peter Barrie story, the man who used to paint and dye horses but my favourite is the one about the Trodmore Hunt. If you dont know that one, google it and have a read. Its not a long story but i found it amusing.

    I should do a podcast and read you all a bedtime story with a different racing scandal each night.

    But i'm not !!

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    I know Trodmore story very well - Greatest stroke ever imo.

    No what bugs me with the Walsh Royalty is that Lord Ted is the anchor of Irish Racing tv on RTE -and has been for about 40 years - and his lad said punters were not needed in racing - What chance is there of Ted calling out a jockey riding a quiet one out the back or a blatant stopping job - Zero.

    People have and are losing their family money and often their family on something that they have no chance of winning before the event starts.

    Most punters are not clued up like you are - and many think the game is straight.

    That’s why I say that the best bet in the bookies is The Lotto - And most sports are straight too.

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