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    Anything happen while i was out ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post
    Anything happen while i was out ???
    I'm surprised that having waited so long - you did not wait a bit longer and could be laying it a lot shorter now # But I suppose your motto is a bird in the hand etc. Unbackable for me now at that price anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clancy View Post
    I'm surprised that having waited so long - you did not wait a bit longer and could be laying it a lot shorter now # But I suppose your motto is a bird in the hand etc. Unbackable for me now at that price anyway.
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing mate. If i knew it was going to go down so much i obviously would have kept hold of it. But you have to set the price you think it will go down to and then let go. I've laid it back at just over 10/1 which is fine by me. I do this thing day in and day out and very rarely will i hit the exact bottom price. But then again, i dont expect to. I set the price i am laying it back at and that is that.

    I agree it is unbackable at that price now. But then again, with a stable like this, at what price would you back it ? I am talking for a straight bet here. This thing could just as likely drift back out again later and/or tail off, pull up, be beaten 70L plus, who knows ???

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    Wish I had done the Forecast earlier in the day, top bombing QC

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    Worth the wait, legendary stuff QC.

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    OUTSTANDING QC!! THANK YOU!!!

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    Great stuff QC, well done!

    You have to love horse racing. A plan over a year in the making, 20/1 into 6/4 and then it almost goes tits up at the first hurdle.

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    Well that was easy wasnt it ?!?! Even had time to show off with a bit of a rodeo act at the first.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when they have him in over it.

    Very pleased to see that so many people stuck by it Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typhoon View Post
    Wish I had done the Forecast earlier in the day, top bombing QC
    Good call with that one mate. If it hadnt have bumped into a horse with at least two stone in hand you would have had a nice price winner.
    I would not have known where to start. Irish racing and form are not my thing........................usually

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    Top stuff as ever but what a roller-coaster that was. i backed it at 20s then again at 12s, laid some at tens, backed in again at around 22s, laid it at 15s and then again at about 3/1.

    This sort of shit just shouldn't happen

    Big thank you again QC

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    Forgot to add. Job done with that one now, cross it off your list.

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    Down to just the one Ronan horse now. More of this one when the ground turns soft, heavy, desperate, bottomless, etc etc etc

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    253C1 30 Free Bet For New Customers Hcap H'dleThe Stewards enquired into the apparent improvement in form of Dreal Deal, trained by Ronan M.P. McNally, placed first compared with its past form. Andrew Shaw, IHRB Senior NH Handicapper gave a general summary on this animals poor form during it's racing career and summarised today's performance as being an improvement in excess of 2 stone. In his opinion based on past form he was surprised with the confidence behind todays run. He advised the Stewards that the recent runs under the Rules of Racing were outside his remit. Ronan M.P. McNally, trainer, stated that his yard had been under a cloud since November 2019 and aspergillus had been the diagnosed problem to explain the illness of all his horses. He felt that this condition accounted for their abysmal performances. Following the poor performance by his charge The Jam Man at the Cheltenham Festival in March he turned all his horses out and they lived in the paddocks without being ridden out. He recalled that the reopening of the racing following the lockdown was the time at which he brought his horses back in and started to train them again. Under questioning as to why Dreal Deal ran on the 17th June at Gowran Park in a nine furlong flat race when it appeared from evidence that the animal had only returned to racing following a three to four month layoff, the trainer stated that he was about 80% fit on that occasion. Under further questioning about running this animal under the Rules of Racing, the trainer stated that this was done to sharpen him up. He explained that this animal had been purchased privately having been previously trained as a Point to Pointer having shown good racing form. He felt in hindsight that the animal should have been laid off and allowed to mature following a tough training regime. He was satisfied that his patience with this animal brought him back to good health. He contributed today's improved run to the fact that his horses are now working well with all training done at home or locally. He was unable to account for the strong market support for his charge today and felt that it may have been local support. Evidence was also heard from Mr E.P. O'Brien, todays rider, who had also previously ridden this animal both in his Point to Points when handled by Paul O'Flynn and on three occasions when trained by Mr McNally. He stated that this was a nice young horse when racing in Point to Points but disappointed thereafter. He did not pinpoint any specific reason for the poor performance on the previous occasions that he had ridden him. Having considered the evidence the Stewards referred the matter to the Referrals Committee.


    I'm sick of telling you lot, the best headgear around is when money is placed on a horse's nose. It improves them stones !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyingbolt View Post
    Great stuff QC, well done!

    You have to love horse racing. A plan over a year in the making, 20/1 into 6/4 and then it almost goes tits up at the first hurdle.
    Indeed. It would have been a nightmare for them if it had come down bearing in mind what transpired.
    And with you being slightly over the age of 21 like myself, you will obviously remember the Gay Future coup. I mention it because a couple of mates of mine who i put the horse up to have rung me asking me if i thought this was similar with Da Baba Elephant being pulled out and therefore the double becoming a single.

    Thoughts ?

    I think Ronan may be in a spot of bother with this one although i'm amazed at all the moaners who are saying it had no form. Fair enough it was in May of last year but i've highlighted it enough on here. The run with Lively Citizen and Es Perfecto behind is an excellent effort. And Lovely Citizen then went on to finish second to Socialist Agenda, who is two from two in bumpers, with Courtandbould back in third. And as we all know, Courtandbould is three from four over hurdles this season and is rated 132.
    A tenuous link some might say. But isnt that is what poring over the form is all about ? The form IS there in the book, its just took sixteen months to resurface.

    I have to say that he doesnt really do himself any favours trying to come across as innocent and being picked on and cracking on he is just a kitchen salesman. A simple "small trainers like me have to make our money with touches" would be better. But what does make me laugh, and i stand to be corrected on this, is that his kitchen company is called Krafty Kitchens !!

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    he got away with most of it as per usual with that explanation, it's like they have the same script which is all well and good but pulling out his other horse was a very devious stunt
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    Yeah - I ordered a table from Krafty Kitchens.

    He delivered a leg - and said he would be delivering the other three over the next year or so.

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    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how Easy Cash D'Alex played a small part in this. As soon as i saw the money, and when Onlyhuman mentioned it, the first thing that sprung to mind was SMOKESCREEN !!
    Thats all it was. But it did its job. Dreal Deal started to drift when the cash came for his other one which is mission accomplished if you ask me. "They" were falling over themselves to lump on Easy Cash D'Alex at any odds and its easy to see why. The horse was never going to run !! Shades of the Gay Future plan here but thats exactly how it looks. Of course, when they do hold a further enquiry, there is no way on this planet that the "powers that be" will be able to prove that but that doesnt mean that they wont think that.
    It was a smokescreen pure and simple. There was only one of his horses primed to win yesterday and we all know which one it was.

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    Right. This could be a bit of a long piece so make yourselves a cuppa, grab a piece of cake (large slice ) and settle back.

    I am down to my last Ronan horse (for the time being) and i thought i might as well share it because after yesterday, i very much doubt we are going to get any fancy prices about his horses for a while. That said, i wouldnt pay any of the guessers that are around at this moment in time with washers so you never know.

    The horse is called Tin Town Liz and even the clueless pundits and journalists who are saying that Dreal Deal had no form should be able to see this one.
    It is a seven year old and started life with J.Woods and had one spin on the flat and one over hurdles in May and December of 2016 before having a fourteen month break. It reappeared in a point at Kirkistown in Feb 2018 and absolutely sluiced up by 25L on heavy ground. It returned to that course four weeks later and won again, this time by 6L and also on heavy. It next ran at Loughanmore but was beaten in a three runner affair when long odds on.
    It then moved to J.G.Cosgrave and ran four times over hurdles in 2018 and didnt show a great deal although it was only beaten 11L on its last run and there was money around for it that day going off 9/2. It was then off from June 2018 until November of last year by which time it had moved to Ronan. It has had just the one run for him and of course it was well beaten and went off at 25/1. It raced off a mark of 95 that day but has since been dropped to 93. It has been off ever since and has no current entries.
    But going back to its point form, there are a few clues among its runs although one thing did make me chuckle. In its first point, the second horse came out and won on its next outing and the third horse was just touched off in his next outing. The rest of the field were pulled up that day but amongst them were Alright Marlene who won a point two runs later at Bellurgan Park and also Hidden Dilemma who has won two handicap hurdles for Stuart Crawford, both at Carlisle. The horse has also finished second and third on his only other two runs there and i have no doubt the horse will be seen at Carlisle at some time in the near future.
    In its second point, it beat a horse called Commanding Spirit who was trained by Peter Flood at the time. I say "at the time" because he is now trained by..........................drumroll please............................Sir Micky !!! This one has shown very little so far for the maestro but we can all just keep an eye on it.
    Back in third in this point though was Sizing Rome for Jim Dreaper.. This lad has been off since well beaten behind The Big Lense at the Listowel festival last year. Obviously something was amiss that day and its to be hoped that the horse recovers from whatever was wrong. He had won four chases in the space of eleven months and is currently rated 134.

    So, in a nutshell, the form is there if you dig deep enough. Just like Dreal Deal really. I am certain that Tin Town Liz will win races. But as i said yesterday, the million dollar question is WHEN ?????????????????????

    Dont look at me, i havent a clue

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    Never mind Nahaarr finishing the Ayr Gold Cup like he had been fired from a cannon, the most jaw-dropping race of the weekend was at Navan on Saturday, when Dreal Deal sailed past a bunch of handicap hurdlers as if he had joined in at halfway.

    This was a horse who had shown no real promise in seven previous hurdle races, yet he had been backed as if such an effort was expected, from an opening 20-1 down to 6-4.

    His performance was the more remarkable because he all but fell at the first flight, losing all momentum and quite a bit of ground, ballooned most of his hurdles thereafter and went widest of all. Yet, at one of the stiffest tracks in Ireland, those problems seemed to have taken no toll whatever as he cantered six lengths clear on the run-in. “We are chuffed,” said his owner/trainer, Ronan McNally, to the Racing Post.

    But the mood had changed when McNally spoke to me on Sunday, by which time he says the handicapper had told him how much higher Dreal Deal will now be in the ratings. “He’s going up by 19lb because of this whole storm on social media,” McNally said. “That’s nearly like the horse winning four races.

    “What’s the chance of him going and winning off 19lb higher now? His chances have vastly decreased. The media were saying: ‘Oh, he’s won with four stone in hand,’ but they were just saying it flippantly. They were laughing. And then everyone on social media kicked off, big gamble this, big gamble that.

    “It’s near impossible, 19lb, Jesus. There’s 6,000 made [in prize money] and now I’m on a hiding to nothing.

    “Everyone thinks you have this big gamble landed and you have all this money, that’s totally inaccurate. I’m very frustrated about the whole situation.”

    McNally, who says there was sickness in his yard when Dreal Deal ran poorly in the past, backed him on Saturday but insists his winnings will hardly make a dent in the horse’s 50,000 purchase price. He is not, he adds, a big-time gambler and prize money is the income source on which he relies.

    “I’m no different to any man, if I think my horse is going to run well, I’ll have a few quid on, that’s what most people in racing do. But if I thought I could run my operation through gambling, I’d be out of business in two days. You have to try and win prize money, jeepers creepers.”

    The matter has been passed to Irish racing’s referrals committee for further investigation, so we will see if that process brings any further light. Personally, I reckon Dreal Deal has got off pretty lightly with a 19lb rise. As the Post’s analyst, David Jennings, noted: “He won with at least a stone in hand, possibly two, maybe even more.”

    McNally’s operation is a small one but it is only just over a year since his name came up in similar circumstances, when the well-backed The Jam Man won easily at Southwell, having been beaten 98 lengths on his previous start. The trainer also felt that was explicable, mentioning sickness in his stable as explaining the horse’s previous form, and protested when the stewards interviewed him three times during the course of the day, saying it made him feel “like a criminal”, although no action was taken against him

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    The surprising thing to me is that the green and gold have nothing with him - given that they have so many under their control - I mean so many that they generously support.

    However I think he is a marked man now - Will have to get a licence for the lad that fits the kitchens for his next plot - imo.

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