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    Quote Originally Posted by ONEDUNME View Post
    Just watched the replays from Naas today. I normally concentrate on the young horses this time of year and I liked the look of Knight of Malta in the 230 race. Hardly an earth-shattering revelation given that it was the favourite but it seemed to stumble slightly when breaking. Ran pretty straight and true for a young horse (as it did on its debut last time out). O'Brien horse so probably won't get much of a price on it but looking like it could be a likely winner soon.
    I havent watched much racing over the past couple of days and only saw one at Thurles on Saturday. I did however make a point of watching the Downpatrick 3.40 on Sunday featuring old friends Da Baba Elephant and The Trigger. It looked to me as though the latter was "expected" in that race but just failed to get up. The way The Jam Man ended up, i'm half expecting The Trigger to be in the Cheltenham Gold Cup field next March .
    His turn will come. Will it be today ?
    But i did see one race at Naas yesterday and it was the first. The obvious one to take out of that race would be the fourth horse, Forever My Girl, who got well behind in the early stages and didnt have a clue what she was doing until it finally clicked at halfway and she stayed on well. Obviously we dont know how much ability the horses who finished behind her have but it was eyecatching.
    But thats for you lads. As i have said on a few occasions, i dont get involved in Irish racing. And having seen the claimer at Dundalk on Friday afternoon, i am totally justified in my stance. I see Kevin Blake has written a piece about it and i think i would have been disappointed if he hadnt. As he says, a lot of punters are cynical by nature but when you see races like that, its hard to argue with them. I've watched it about six times now and it doesnt look good. In fact, it gets worse every time i watch it.

    I sat there last night and watched a few more Grand Nationals. The Red Marauder race was hard to watch and how that horse got round is beyond me. He must have hit about six fences and only just scrambled over three or four more. I can only think of Pineau De Re as another National winner who amazed me that they got round.
    I also watched the 1976 National won by Rag Trade and just listening to some of the names of the other runners brought back memories. Two of my all time favourites competed although one of them had done me a very bad turn a few years earlier. The two were The Dikler and Spanish Steps. The first named had collared Pendil halfway up the run in at Cheltenham in the 73 Gold Cup and that was me confined to the house that weekend l
    Others in the race were Sandwilan, Eyecatcher, Churchtown Boy and Nereo, ridden by The Duke Of Alberquerque. What an old warrior he was.

    Ah, memories
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    i watched that claimer race and it didn't look that bad to me.

    anyway looks like we wont have any more irish racing after today for awhile..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jombo View Post
    i watched that claimer race and it didn't look that bad to me.

    anyway looks like we wont have any more irish racing after today for awhile..

    Conveniently slowly away ! Very little ground made until well down the home straight ! Not much pressure applied until too late ! Actually takes a bit of a tug inside the last furlong and a half !

    Yeah, it looked ok to me as well

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    I see Ronan McNlallys Dreal Deal was well punted last night but has now drifted out a bit. It opened 25's in a few places (why oh why do they just copy each other and not employ odds compilers themselves ?????????????) and was backed down to as low as 4/1. Its drifted out to 12's in a few places now and its anybodys guess where it ends up.

    Looks like i've got two races to watch today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post

    Conveniently slowly away ! Very little ground made until well down the home straight ! Not much pressure applied until too late ! Actually takes a bit of a tug inside the last furlong and a half !

    Yeah, it looked ok to me as well
    aah you watch too much racing!!

    Nothing to see there.. there wasnt that much between them on the adjusted handicap ratings and unlucky in running horses happen all the time at dundalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jombo View Post
    aah you watch too much racing!!

    Nothing to see there.. there wasnt that much between them on the adjusted handicap ratings and unlucky in running horses happen all the time at dundalk.

    "Unlucky in running"

    OK mate, have a good day and stay safe !!

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    No Irish racing now. About time too . Don’t know what they were thinking when they gave go ahead!

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    Everybody is hit financially but I would say it will be a disaster for the smaller trainers - as if they had not enough on their plate already - Horses are often the first thing to go in a financial crisis - particularly if there is no chance of them getting a run for the foreseeable future - hard to get the fees in I would think.

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    So Ddreal Deal finishes twelfth and goes off at 16/1. Well done if you managed to get the 25's and laid it back shorter and locked yourself in a profit. But if you backed it at 4/1, or any single figure price for that matter, i would seriously consider packing this game in. There is never a day that goes by without punters jumping on the bandwagon only to find out that it is on its way to the scrapyard and they have done their money.
    I would love to have been a fly on the wall in the Ronan McNally yard yesterday after seeing their horse plunge from 25's into 4's. Now i'm not saying that this is what happened but the fact is that it does happen. Did they say just let it run and see what happens ? Or did they consider pulling it out ? Or was it a case of them saying "the twats have nicked our price and i'm gonna make sure they do their dough before instructing his jockey to finish nearer last than first ?
    As i said, that might just be me being mischievous. But then again, i have been at the end of a phone line when a trainer has rung up and asked where the money for his horse had come from. I can think of two occasions off the top of my head and there may be others. And on both of those occasions the horses were soon declared non runners.
    The facts are that this horse had been beaten anywhere between 34L and 75L in his previous runs under rules and all at big prices. So when you see it as low as 4/1 it does set alarm bells ringing. As it turns out, it looked to be having a private battle for last place before somehow managing to get past a few of them.
    But its day will come and hopefully some of you will be on. It finished second in a good ground 3m point at Ballindenisk last May so the 2m on soft at Clonmel yesterday would hardly seem ideal. But when racing resumes and the ground quickens up a bit, i would imagine the stable looking for a little race somewhere come summer time. It more than possible that he will bring it this side of the water and i might get involved myself.

    Its in the book

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    One thing i will say about the Irish tracks. They are all set in beautiful surroundings. A lot of them remind me of Cartmel, especially Killarney, and many of them have the backdrops very similar to Hexham. I have said to Mrs Crossett that we have to go racing again over there but those plans a obviously on hold for the forseeable future.
    Killarney is defintely top of my list and i just love the layout and undulations of Downpatrick.
    We have been to Navan and that was nice but just ordinary and Leopardstown couldnt really be called scenic, could it. We went to Dundalk but thats about as much as i can say about that one.

    I'm open to suggestions if you lads have any favourites.

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    Try Laytown - Yourself and Mrs Crumpett can go for a little paddle as a bonus.

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    I dont want to sound like a nagging parent but please dont go looking for anything else to bet on while the racing is off. And defintiely stay away from those online poker and casino sites. PLEASE !! ".

    I bumped (not literally, we were six feet apart) into a mate yesterday who i used to go racing with many, many moons ago and who has been punting since he was 15. Sadly, he has always been compulsive and it has cost him his marriage, his health has suffered and i dread to think how much money he has lost. He is one of those who will bet in every race and even if he goes a few hundred up, he wants more. And he chases land invariably ends up skint.
    So i asked him how he was doing and he said he'd had an horrific weekend "but managed to pull 600 back on Monday". He'd backed in each race at Thurles and then went online in the casino. And then did the same after racing on Sunday.
    I didnt ask how much he had done but got the impression that 600 wasnt making much of a dent in his losses.
    Very sad !

    Take it easy !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clancy View Post
    Try Laytown - Yourself and Mrs Crumpett can go for a little paddle as a bonus.
    I might do that mate. When we were last over there we actually drove to Laytown and parked on the slip down to the beach. But the tide was in and we couldnt see anything.
    I think i mentioned this on here a few years ago but driving back we passed a farmhouse/cafe place and they did the most gorgeous cakes. Some of you who live down that way might know it but my geographical knowledge of that area isnt that good. It was on the left hand side of the road on our way back and wasnt far from the turn off to Bellewstown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post
    I dont want to sound like a nagging parent but please dont go looking for anything else to bet on while the racing is off. And defintiely stay away from those online poker and casino sites. PLEASE !! ".

    I bumped (not literally, we were six feet apart) into a mate yesterday who i used to go racing with many, many moons ago and who has been punting since he was 15. Sadly, he has always been compulsive and it has cost him his marriage, his health has suffered and i dread to think how much money he has lost. He is one of those who will bet in every race and even if he goes a few hundred up, he wants more. And he chases land invariably ends up skint.
    So i asked him how he was doing and he said he'd had an horrific weekend "but managed to pull 600 back on Monday". He'd backed in each race at Thurles and then went online in the casino. And then did the same after racing on Sunday.
    I didnt ask how much he had done but got the impression that 600 wasnt making much of a dent in his losses.
    Very sad !

    Take it easy !!
    sorry QC, guilty as charged but only once a week on Friday evening, I limit it to €15 and play a 10c slot game, it whiles away an hour of my time and fulfils a need, I know I should probably read a book or do some knitting.

    by the way I can just see you on the beach at Laytown sitting on one of those old wooden deckchairs in a string vest and a tied napkin on your noggin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typhoon View Post
    sorry QC, guilty as charged but only once a week on Friday evening, I limit it to €15 and play a 10c slot game, it whiles away an hour of my time and fulfils a need, I know I should probably read a book or do some knitting.

    by the way I can just see you on the beach at Laytown sitting on one of those old wooden deckchairs in a string vest and a tied napkin on your noggin.
    Shocking Typhoon ! Dont even give them 15 euros. If just 1000 people in Ireland did that on a Friday night it would be a nice little earner for the scumbags.

    As for the string vest !!!!
    I've never worn one in my life and rather than sitting in the old deckchairs, i'd like to think i would be strutting up and down the beach eyeing up the tottie !!

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    I've had five hours in the garden today. Thirty minutes digging and four and a half hours sunbathing
    Seriously though, my back is breaking and i've spent the last two hours laid out on the floor watching features on Willie Carson, Mick Kinane, Desert Orchid and Frankel. Good viewing but i'd much rather be studying and then pricing a class 5 handicap hurdle from Catterick.
    I'll be raring to go when racing finally returns. Just wish it would hurry up

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    The Racing Post has ceased publication for the forseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixall Crossett View Post
    The Racing Post has ceased publication for the forseeable future.
    the paper is zero loss. the racing post website is ok tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jombo View Post
    the paper is zero loss. the racing post website is ok tho.
    Spot on mate. The paper is no loss whatsoever !
    The website is useful but at the same time i spend a lot of time on Attheraces, Sporting Life, Jockey Club videos etc etc. It is not the be all and end all.
    The form in the paper is of no use whatsoever, the "features" are average at best and i just find the quality of writer of a much, much lesser standard than years ago. In the old Sporting Life days we had Jack Logan, Ian Carnaby, Jeffrey Bernard
    (when he could make it ), Clement Freud, John McCririck (before he tailed off) and a few others. And they were always worth a read. David Ashforth was another but he is one of those who has gone on for too long, just like an ageing boxer, and on the odd occasion i have read one of his pieces i have found it neither humorous or informative.
    The trend these days is to employ young ones but with that comes a lack of knowledge and a lack of experience. Lets face it, we all know far, far more now than we did when we were 18 and that has just come with time and experiences. But these kids are getting jobs with bookmakers and the Racing Post and all of a sudden they are "experts"
    Some of them are just out of school and because they like racing and spend most of their time on Social Media, they are getting jobs and on day 1 they are the new Racing Post expert. Its nonsense but the powers that be there just dont see it.
    Its like some bookmakers these days. Rather than take on people with experience (No, i'm not touting for a job, i was offered one last August and i'm still rolling on the floor laughing) they are hiring kids with no knowledge of betting, racing, sports or anything. And some of the tales i've heard confirm that they cant count either. I remember speaking to an old mate of mine a year or two back who is now a director of a firm and he said that people like me who have their heads in the form book 24/7 are not required in the trading room anymore. He said they look for Graduates and prefer mathematical brains to form knowledge. He said he took one lad on and said that the lad probably didnt know the difference between a selling hurdle and the Derby. But he was shit hot at maths and he got the job. And thats what you are up against. So when you get a bet knocked back, its not because they delved right into the form and are trying to swerve it, its because the algorithms or logarithms or fuckarithms or whatever they are called have declined it.

    Computer says no !!!
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